No, I just mean people saying that "we" or whoever should boot newbies off the forum. I was under the impression there was an invite only area, maybe that's not the case. Anyway, the point was, come back down to earth! This stuff from Nexic really pissed me off, oh my advice was ignored! oh you threw it back in my face! Just look at J Fizzle's posts, his username. It's quite clear he's not as sober and humourless as some people around here. papillon: I registered here a long time ago, I find the community quite interesting in terms of how pro indies go about business, but when people start discussing after 200 posts what is right for a forum it really gets my goat See the post above? Who is this magical "we"? edit just to be clear: I'm not saying people should be making this place "like TIGSource" or whatever, the business aspect is fine IMO although others might find it distasteful. But being elitist about it all does nothing except boost the egos of the people being elitist.