I'm not sure if this is the best forum to put this in, but as long as no one freaks out over it being noise, I'm happy Based on a comment by formfarbeminze, It might just be me, but this whole 'indie spirit' thing feels like a load of hoo-hah. Aside from working conditions, and development processes, mainstream developers (whoever they are) aren't that different to your average indie. It's not like there's some magical aura over all indie developers that allows them to create with some unrestricted creativity. Both indies and mainstream guys want one thing- to be making games and earning some cash, so they can do it for as long as they can. In my opinion, this whole indies versus mainstream thing has got to die. I never seem to hear the end of 'indies vs portals' or 'indies vs AAA developers' or 'indies vs the olympics' (okay, so maybe not the last one). Has anyone ever thought that people (or dev houses) should stand on their own merits, instead of being crushed into a box of prejudice? I realise it feels to good to have a group of underdog developers supporting each other. I like that feeling too. But, do we have to rag on the pro guys, as if they can't sustain an original thought, or make a game with complete freedom of development? I think it sucks when indies do that. This isn't Starwars, guys. It's not the harmless (yet fun-loving) ewoks versus the dark side. We're all developers. Let's support them, and maybe (just maybe) they'll have a reason to support us back.