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Discussion in 'Indie Related Chat' started by cliffski, Sep 11, 2004.
Uhh....could you forward that email over to me?
Macho attitude dictates that you should never imply that you're not so well endowed!
Some things I don't need enlarged. I don't tend to respond to those breast enlargements spams!
I received this one.
and wondered to myself what the size is of the intersection of the sets "people who respond to spam" and "people who look at this and go 'I want one!'".
I have just received the funniest spam, given the context: an offer to buy a 67MB list of 2.7million UK-based email addresses for $270
Spamming is not free.
It's only free when you have compiled the list and start spamming. But the hierarchy itself goes so that on top there sits a spam list gatherers. And then there are spammers who buy these lists from the gatherers. Spammers might send 1 M emails but they have to pay to the spam list owners. Same way as they sell credit card numbers in the net. Somebody collects, somebody uses.
Summa summarum: send emails costs, not much - but they do.
For example (NOTICE - I'M NOT SAYING THIS COMPANY IS SPAMMER - THIS WAS THE FIRST COMPANY I FOUND USING GOOGLE) http://www.bulk-email-lists.com/ rents 200+M emails for $499.
I read a very funny idea somewhere. This guy was saying that without these bulk email programs spammers would be b0rked, so he suggested every day googling "bulk mail spam program" or simialr and clicking the top 10 google adwords. As we all know, every click costs that company money...
Its dodgy because there IS a legitimate need for bulk email programs. I've used groupmail for my mail list.
But things are so bad with spam now I dont bother sending newsletters. I would only get put on a spamlist somehow (even though its explicitly opt-in). and nobody would read them.
We seriously need a system where the sending PC has to do some complex problem solving for each mail before the email server accepts a mail for transit. This was proposed a while ago with no effect. This would mean you would need to own some huge mainframe to send more than 1000 emails an hour, and thats a winner in my book
Death to spammers.
in fact a quick google found this:
75 million targeted emails? errr. how does that work?
if this is a legitmiate business product im a banana.
good old google ad words. clickety clickety click.
Who buys stuff through spam? Accordingly to a survey from last year... 7% of the us citizens (with internet) bought at least once something in their life from spammers. *gasp*
I'm wondering... shouldn't be buying stuff from spammers be illegal? I mean it's supporting their illegal activities with money.
Having the sender calculate something sounds good - at first. I just remembered those database driven password attacks. You have a huge database (several gb) with hash values... and you can just ask the db for a password which would generate the provided hash value. Pang! Broken in less than 20 milliseconds.
The whole smtp stuff needs to be buried.