EDMUND-A game about a Rapist [FREEWARE][NSFW]

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  1. Cdnalsi

    Cdnalsi New Member

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    I love how people get offended (or any kind of reaction for that matter) by video games.

    It's really very simple. There's this game, and then there's real life. I can bet my hat right now the developer of this game is NOT a rapist.

    People who get offended by this type of media are the same people who can't tell right from wrong, video game from reality, and end up shooting people up in a school somewhere in the US, just because they played Max Payne 10 minutes ago.

    Or start plowing through parks with their cars just because they played GTA 10 minutes ago.

    It's media, it's FICTION. Just like movies, and books. Jesus! Get a grip, get a sense of reality.
     
  2. HDL

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    I think Neil Gaiman puts it far more eloquently than I ever could. I think the same applies to computer games. http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/12/why-defend-freedom-of-icky-speech.html

    Of course this is a private messageboard and as such the rules of freedom of speech don't come into play.

    It's not a game I'll ever play. I looked at the trailer and it disgusted me. The initial post and the trailer made it seem as if it was a game that glorified violence against women and the whole rape=funny lolz issues.

    Do you ban Dangerous Highschool Girls in Trouble which also tackles the subject of rape? I was fully opposed to the moral outrage by people who'd never played the game that erupted over on a certain portal.
     
  3. 320x240

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    I am offended by the pretence and lack of integrity displayed by the originator of this thread.

    If you really feel for something and believe you have something to offer, you should at least come prepared and ready to share your thoughts with us. Do not hide behind quasi-intellectual oneliners - tell us what you really think.

    This is not genuine and simply tells of a man who lacks the courage to be himself.
     
  4. Deva

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    "Sex is violence." - Janes Addiction

    Let's just keep the violent game a'rollin', then. How many people are morally against this, but have no problem with games where you shoot everyone on sight? The hypocrisy.
     
  5. Junkyard Sam

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    I think the word RAPE is driving the controversy. What if the word RAPE wasn't used in the original post - just "assault." MAYBE even "sexual assault." I don't think people would have reacted quite as strongly.

    Also, be real careful with just condemning things across the board... Some well meaning child-pornography laws were passed in Florida that actually made some not-so-hardcore comics "technically" against the law... And in one case there was an actual prosecution with one of these stupid anime style comics, and the poor kid ended up on the "sexual predator/sex crime" list even though his crime was a stupid nerd comic. (Edit: NO I don't look at such things, I hate all comics.)

    Strong opposition to things like this can drive the passage of laws that end up selectively applied for political reasons, or even worse - applied by politicians wanting to make a name for themselves while destroying the lives of harmless nerds.


    I don't mean to go off topic...

    The game itself was higher quality than I expected it to be, particularly with the atmospheric, film, and sound design. It was WAY more powerful than the average Flash game.

    So it wasn't JUST an in-your-face controversial game. The guy did put some time into it. I also think some of the opinions expressed here may be out of a subconscious resentment for this guy getting a lot of attention based on controversy rather than quality - but I think some ASSUME that without actually playing.

    Again, the game itself has higher production qualities than 99 out of 100 Flash games.

    PS. The ability to walk away in-game without getting into the whole rape bit is genius. I did that repeatedly at first and thought I was hitting a bug... If you simply hit "up" at the start of the game, which I did to try to jump --- it exits out. (He could have made this more clear. The game needs some work in terms of letting the player know which ending he hit and how many more endings are possible to achieve.)

    But the idea that you don't have to commit the rape opens up a whole additional aspect to the game. Also at the end - I shot the girl, but I assume there's a different ending if you shoot the guy... And I remember having an interesting internal dialog as to "Who should I shoot?" It wasn't an emotional/moral issue for me, it was an issue of "which ending do I want to see?" But still... dilemma = gameplay.

    Anyhow, I've spent $60 for Xbox360 games that affected me far less than this game did so I gotta give the guy credit... And it was neat to see how different people reacted.

    Does anyone that first reacted so strongly, negatively, feel a little silly now by any chance? After all, it's technically just a silly little pixel game. Hardly anything that's going to inspire violence.

    ON THE OTHER HAND, where do you draw the line?! I hear this guy is working on a child-molestation game next and even I think that's way over the line.
     
  6. Desktop Gaming

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    Why the hell would you write that in your first post, then whine and bitch at people for telling you what they think?

    Regardless of what the game is or is not, you've deliberately created a promotional video for it which is about as violent as it gets depicting a woman being beaten and raped. Only graphics? Only a game? It made me look away. Is that what you wanted?

    If you ever knew women who had been beaten and/or raped then perhaps you wouldn't be so blase in your use of the theme. I didn't know you'd previously written a game about kicking babies. My last word on the subject - you need professional psychiatric attention.
     
  7. Maupin

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    Agreed 100% on this point.
     
  8. Reives Freebird

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    Eh, the way I did was just to walk back to the taxi; I haven't tried pressing up but that sounds like it may indeed have been a bug. But either way, the feature's there.

    When you shoot the rapist, the game ends. Apparently, the other guy with the gun you control to hunt down the rapist is actually the moral conscience of the rapist - and at the end you have the option of either have the rapist "kill himself", or let the last bit of the morality fade.


    I really don't blame the ones who reacted in a knee-jerking fashion as they did, though. The OP ad's representation (mainly by the sole video) was terrible and his replies didn't make things better. But none the less, I agree with Sam in that the actual game was one of the more meaningful ones I've played.
     
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  9. Crimson Knight

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    I was utterly repulsed by this game. And the way the trailer was presented didn't help things when I first saw it.

    If certain people here thought a game about rape was bad though, they should go to the movie theater. You'll find all kinds of nasty smut in movies, intended for children.
     
  10. Stefan Lundmark

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    I too reacted in the same way as most of the people posting here. One has to remember though, that most games out there today, and many of our own indie games are based on violence and in most cases the killing of other people.

    How is rape any less worse than depriving someone of their life? I get everyone's point and I too found the game disgusting, but should I?
     
  11. Farmergnome

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    The video was intended that way as I didn't want to mislead people into the game, I can guarantee you would feel more violated clicking that .EXE and seeing the video rape scene in real-time than simply watching it on a cropped you tube link. Its not the nicest scene in the game, but it gives people clear warning what the game contains, so I don't get stupid emails saying I made them rape Emily...
     
  12. Farmergnome

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    Actually ive dated 2 of them, if you had of read the TIGSource post 3 of the thread before mouthing off you would have read that my inspiration came from that.

    Ive also made a game about throwing babies from airplanes down spikey canyons, if that's more your thing...

    http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=1242.0/

    That's more than one word.
     
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  13. Game Producer

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    Well, the thread has a word "rapist" in it. That should be some sort of hint about the content.

    killing vs rape
    rape indeed goes like a worse level than killing. Or even torturing. There's some games where you have comical graphics and torturing (where people scream hilariously). That's obviously "allowed" to show (although I think a realistic torturing game would get a load of controversial discussion).

    In games:
    - Killing is accepted.
    - Cartoony torturing is accepted.
    - (Realistic torturing probably not)
    - Rape isn't accepted (even cartoony)

    Of course there's different people, and some people might not accept killing, but if I had to rank this stuff - the above ranking probably goes to some extent.

    Simply put, rape is found so offensive that even cartoony rape games are getting a big red sign. I don't know why that is, but this is how I personally feel. Couldn't find a reason why I think this way.

    removal of thread
    I'd personally wish to move this type of controversial topics to some different section or something. I also think that if majority of the community wishes to remove/lock the thread, then that should happen.

    (We are still discussing this with the mods).
     
  14. Game Producer

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    And the next person to continue this type of insulting is seriously in danger of getting slapped with a large trout. :cool:

    Let's keep this in topic. No personal attacks are needed from anybody - we all know how to act professional - and can discuss civilized (Even when it's about a controversial topic), right?

    No flamewars, m'kay?

    Please continue :)
     
  15. Farmergnome

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    Is it because games as a medium is still immature? I would love a solid answer why movies and books, shit, almost anything can touch on the darker side of humanity, yet games are limited to what players accept?

    Why is raping another human being worse than killing another human being?

    Why is killing so widespread and accepted? Why do we let kids play GTA and everything else with a gun? Yet soon as someone says the R-word...

    I'm not saying shit, lets make rape games now everyone! I'm saying, if your going to ban rape games from the forum, why not killing too?

    I want to know that reason why you think this way, I know it may not be a easy thing to answer, but doesn't hurt to ask :)
     
  16. Game Producer

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    I asked that question to myself when I wrote that post, and the answer is: I honestly don't know why.

    (I got fever now, and sore throat, so ... I'll rest now and see if I have something sensible to add later)
     
  17. Columbo

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    I think some people are making the point, why is widespread violence OK and sex not OK?

    That is a very valid point, particularly for the US and to a lesser extent the UK where violence in games, movies and TV seems to be far more acceptable than sex. In some European countries like Germany, they seem to have a more sensible balance between the two.

    I think the majority of people agree that sexual violence is worse (i.e. more taboo) than sex or violence alone, and we generally expect art forms to treat it with a degree of sensitivity that appears to be lacking here.

    I'm sure it's possible to point toward examples of sexual violence being addressed in crass ways in literature, movies, TV, and other more mainstream artforms. It doesn't validate your own cheap sensationalism and insensitivity to the subject though just because you can point at others.

    I'm against censorship. It doesn't stop me getting a bit angry though that something has been created to deliberately court controversy and garner cheap publicity which will very likely end up upsetting some real people (i.e. victims of sexual violence - I'm not too worried about the sensibilities of the Christian right-wing or Daily Mail knee-jerk reactions).
     
  18. jcottier

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    Beating and raping a girl is NOT sex! I can't believe I had to write that. Isn't that just plain obvious?

    JC
     
  19. Columbo

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    Yes - The point I was trying to make is that previous posters were starting to talk about the strangeness of (some) society's acceptance of violence while rejecting sexual content.

    I was then trying to distinguish that sexual violence is an entirely different thing from both sex and violence. Obviously not clearly enough.
     
  20. Farmergnome

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    Dude, did you even play it? "Appears to be lacking"? Common man, atleast play it if your going to comment on whats lacking, Ive treated the subject matter pretty carefully, you don't have to rape anything, you can get back in the taxi as soon as the game begins, so please don't high and mighty me about whats "Appears to be lacking".
    Dude, read my posts, so hopefully I can stop saying this, the inspiration for this game is knowing rape victims, if I'm trying to make a point about anything, I'm trying to make a point at Michael/Eddie, the rapist, not the victim. I hope you go and play the game and understand that rape isn't enforced to finish the game, sure you wont get the ending or closure you want, but it will finish the game.

    Here's a nice prompt since this has moved a little off topic, I would love for you to try my game peoples, if you don't want to, just leave, I wont be offended, you don't need to force your ill-informed posts about my game in this post, just click the little back arrow. Its really not that hard.
     

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