Does any portal do *Anything* about piracy

Discussion in 'Development & Distribution' started by cliffski, Feb 18, 2007.

  1. Tertsi

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    Then how come I got 0 replies to the post? Many devs obviously do care about it so that can't be the reason. Saying you are not afraid without doing anything else isn't helpful either.
     
  2. sillytuna

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    Been wondering how to reply to this since my views on piracy are not the most agreed with in the world.

    After some thinking, I actually agree with Cliffski. Whatever my views on "actual lost sales", for any of the large portals you would think they could have a junior member of staff who spends a day or two a week sending standard letters out and cancelling pirate keys.

    It's something you have to do constantly as when you pop one another will appear very quickly, and that's probably why they don't do it.

    With torrents, they'd be best uploading the 60 minute limited version to torrent sites along with a crack/keygen/key that simply doesn't work (and perhaps appears to work until 60 mins are up).

    Saying all that, it's no use if one company does it and another doesn't. The game will still be available to those that want it free.

    Should this be a service DRM providers should offer?
     
  3. Tertsi

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    To take my initiative a step further.. I'd like anyone who supports saying to Real Arcade and Oberon/MSN Games to improve their DRM to prevent (probably) legal, very easy access to the full version executable to sort of sign my e-mail to them.

    So please e-mail info a-t mitorahgames -com

    And include this info: Your e-mail address, your website, your name and your company/team name.
    and optionally whatever short message you want to send them.

    For example:

    Company - e-mail address - websiteurl - FirstName LastName
     
  4. papillon

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    Y'know, I'm pretty middle-of-the-road on piracy. I lecture the obnoxious thieves, and I lecture the people who get insanely worked up about the possibility of lost sales. That said, what I *really* don't understand is why Yahoo doesn't make more effort to stamp out piracy ON THEIR OWN SITE. :)

    Visit Yahoo Answers and look at the Video and Online Games section. Generally, about 10-15% of the questions are 'Where can I pirate Game X?' Of those questions, about half are looking for codes/copies of retail games, and the other half are looking for downloadables, many of which are actually sold on Yahoo.

    Now, if you go through and report every single question and answer that's either requesting pirated goods or offering them, the Answers team will eventually delete the question. (At least one person promptly posted the same question again. I don't know if after the second deletion they actually PUNISHED the user or she just got the hint and quit asking.) But what they won't do is take any steps to make it more clear that this sort of thing isn't allowed, or make it easier to report. ('Warez' isn't even an option on the abuse-report list, you have to choose Other and explain in comments.) Considering the extremely high proportion of questions in that category that are warez-related, it would seem reasonable to me to put up some automatic warnings before allowing people to submit a question, just to make sure they get the point that YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT HERE.

    I don't want automatic punishment or anything, I just want people to feel that it's not APPROPRIATE to be talking about how to pirate games on a big yahoo-hosted public forum!

    I know Yahoo's a huge entity and the Answers team probably have nothing to do with the Games team, but it still annoys me.
     
  5. JoKa

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    Ok, that's true. I agree it's a shame that absolutely nothing is done to prevent piracy. But I don't know how to impress the responsible people of the portals. Could even masses of unknown authors like me change anything? Looking at the Top10, the majority of successful games aren't created by indies, so why should they care? Seems like a waste of time to me. Let's see how many devs respond to your mail request, maybe it could change my mind, I'll send you one :)
     
  6. Tertsi

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    Yep we need guys like cliffski to sign this or this is going nowhere.
    I'll also contact PopCap and some other bigger guys to sign this.
     
  7. cliffski

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    I agree very strongly about yahoo answers. its abosutely insane that its easy for me to get a comment taken of a warez forum, or a hosted copy off a site like rapidshare, than it is for yahoo to delete a question that asks "how can I get a free copy of this yahoo game"
    Talk about one hand not knowing what the other is doing.
    I guess the portals won't do anything about it until they realise they are losing money from not having the newest games.

    Hopefully some portal people read this thread even if they don't respond. Maybe if you are, you should spend just 15 seconds each trying to get free copies of the top 10 games.
    Then tell me you aren't losing money.
     
  8. Game Producer

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    Hmm... maybe we should set up a strike? Boycott portals until things start to happen? ;)
     
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    I would hope with Vista now in full release that some of the portals are re-engineering their homegrown DRM (if you can call it that) due to compat issues. Although I suspect they won't be plugging any major holes as a ground-up rewrite is not going to be cost effective nor is licensing 3rd party tech when compared to their precieved low impact of casual piracy.
     
  10. Tertsi

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    But seriously, one major portal's installer just installs the full version executable in the same folder where the game is. Doh? It is even much more likely that the user would click the full version's iconed executable than the Launch.exe if the user opens the installation folder. (I'm not talking about Real)
     
  11. cliffski

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    feel free to PM me which portal that is, or post it here, if they really do that, it's hardly classified information, albeit highly embarrassing for them.
     
  12. Indiepath

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    PM you but the culprits as far as I have seen are RA (both companies with the same initials) and MSN.
     
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    Shocking, nothing more can be said, I thought RA was bad, but MSN, good lord.
     
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  14. Tertsi

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    It is MSN.
     
  15. bignobody

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    :eek:

    Yep, I can certainly confirm this. I downloaded Magic Match a while back so I could get an idea of the production quality of matching games these days.

    Hard to believe, but it's true...
     
  16. Indiepath

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    I'd like to add that I do not personally pirate from these portals - my findings are a direct result of testing known solutions and developing a reasonable (don't write it to disk) DRM system for igLoader.
     
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    My advice would normally be to release your OWN cracks and stuff. Spoiler tactics that put people off copying your stuff.

    But given its "standard" DRM, maybe thats not an option.

    We originaly seeded at least 5 CD's worth of semi-reasonble-looking warez alike downloads on various newsgroups and crack sites. They looked like real warez, but of course didnt work (we put a load of jokes in the data files too).

    Another thing we did, was incorporate our own server based DRM check. But I dont want to say too much about that.

    Kind of a side issue to this, has anyone tried tracking the cross-usage of thier demo downloads across different portals per IP /Mac address to see if people really ARE skipping to different sites to get the demo multiple times?

    I kind of agree with Cliffsky about this. If there was ever a task the portals should take out of thier share (as large as it is) its copy pro.

    I dont get too upset about it, because so far we're doing online games. But I definitely feel the pain of anyone who has thier own game warez off a portal who cant even get off its arse enough to take even minimal action.
     
  18. zoombapup

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    On the subject, is trymedia any better DRM wise?

    Would it be reasonble to boycott any portal not using thier DRM?
     
  19. Dan MacDonald

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    Not really, BFG uses them and has been having lots of problems with lost sales. People buy the game and never receive their download link, stuff like that.
     
  20. James C. Smith

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    Reflexive sends a lot of take down notices for cracks, key gens and e-bay piracy/scams. They are usually very effective. We have gotten several messages deleted and many domains shutdown. We may not be searching for these pirates as aggressively as you are, but we do aggressively pursue every one that is reported to us. You can report them to support@reflexive.com and they will be addressed.
     

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