an interesting discussion on a warez site:

Discussion in 'Development & Distribution' started by cliffski, Jul 2, 2007.

  1. cliffski

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    Cr4zyBr4dy: Can anyone find or upload Kudos: Rock Legend? I've searched everywhere and I can't find it or a crack to the trial. Either would be appreciated.
    Thanks.

    Arcanis: Seconding this, need this as well

    TheFallenOne: Release Date: Jun 1, 2007
    im sure as soon as it out to the net you will find it in "games" forum!!!

    Cr4zyBr4dy: It already is out. It's July 2nd now. Been a month since release.

    Dave The Man: Has anyone Put it Up?

    Cr4zyBr4dy: I've used the search every day for the past week and more. Haven't seen anything yet.

    Arcanis: Shame its not on reflexive arcade, that would solve our problems.
     
  2. JoKa

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    Cool - keep it away from portals for some more weeks and they'll go mad ;)

    But seriously, will it affect your behaviour regarding portals, would you delay a portal release if you have an interesting offer?
     
  3. svero

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    So is it purely an ideological battle for you or do you think these guys are likely to buy the game now? I suspect a lot of these types will simply never be customers.
     
  4. cliffski

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    the guys posting all day on forums are unlikely to buy. but you bet they know a dozen or so people who will idly ask them if they have got a copy of it. Those are the casual pirates who do sometimes buy games, don't know anything about p2p, torrents or cracks, but aren't above asking someone to get them a free copy, even if they don't know how it's done.
    If it becomes a single-mouse click of effort to get a free game, then even the most honest people are tempted. I know I can get a copy of a game like Peggle as warez faster, easier and quicker than I can get a legit copy, and that's even ignoring the issue of money ;(
     
  5. Olivier

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    Is it really so easy to crack games released on the reflexive arcade?
     
  6. Jack Norton

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    Svero, you don't need to think as pirates as single individuals heremite living in a contaminated island in the middle of pacific... :D
    It can be a 14 years-old boy.
    Who has 3-4 uncles/aunts/grandparents/whatever.
    Who like to play casual games (ok maybe not Kudos Rock Legend, but Azada, or Peggle, or whatever).
    They're about to buy, then the 14 years old boy says "ah no I have it for free, I'll send you by email today".

    A simple example resulting in 3 lost sales. Then the old ladies once have a cracked working version, can pass to relatives, parents.

    Result, one simple pirate can result in 50 lost sales.
    It's just a theory - but it has solid arguments, don't you think? :eek:
     
  7. Arthur_Ostapenko

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    There is keygen for reflexive's DRM wrapper and on all warez sites people are just waiting when game will be released on Reflexive.
    Most people think that all small games made by Reflexive, and call it "Reflexive games" :)

    Of course there are few warez sites that releases cracked games in old manner(eg cracking each game individualy), on some of them games appears before official release. I think this people just signed as beta testers on huge portals and stealing games from there.

    Sometimes I'm monitoring such warez sites and if my game appears there I'm just writing to rapidshare.com and other filesharing service providers support to delete my game from their servers. Of course this not helps, but if all developers will do this, crackers will host games on their servers and at least they will need to pay for bandwidth from their pockets :)
     
  8. Olivier

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    Thanks for the info Arthur. A keygen to bypass a company's entire DRM system, frightening. I guess Reflexive is not alone with the same issue. But are they even doing something to prevent keygens from working?
     
  9. spellcaster

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    Reflexive Arcade still requires the user to do something. Real Arcade simply allows you to copy the game.
     
  10. Arthur_Ostapenko

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    Yea, games from Real DRM does need even keygen :)

    Strongest protection from all huge portals IMHO has BigFish's DRM.
     
  11. Game Producer

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    Umm... BFG games also basically have no protection too. Big portals simply let every cracker out there to copy their games ... and concentrate on those who buy them.
     
  12. James C. Smith

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    The Reflexive Arcade DRM has been revised and replaced several times. There were many times when the DRM was immunized from all known cracks and key gens. Within months or weeks new cracks and key gens are made. Reflexive continues to research ways to make the DRM stronger. If you search the IndieGamer discussion archives you can ever see places where Reflexive has posited detailed statistics showing how DRM revisions impact downloads (significantly) and sales (not at all).

    Reflexive has been very proactive in this area and very transparent with data. Meanwhile most of the focus is still on cracks for Reflexive DRM and not the other wide open systems that don't even require a crack.
     
  13. mrobert

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    Hello everyone,

    I use a custom DRM in our latest game. Somebody "cracked" it and the game showed up on torrent sites. Days later, a few hundred comments showed up, that the crack doesn't work :)

    It's not something high-tech ... it's just an ingenious idea that can easily mislead potential crackers.

    And on the other hands, piracy will always be the loss of our business. Every business has it's losses, and unfortunately I don't see any change in that in the future.

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    Let's assume I would offer you the perfect DRM. Impossible to crack.
    Everyone would adopt it on the market.
    In 10 years, the software/games market would shrink down to a few percent.
    The market exists and develops due to piracy.

    My 2 cents.
     
  14. Jack Norton

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    Care to explain then why big companies moved from Pc platform to consoles? :D
     
  15. mrobert

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    Jack,

    Because they have the market segment exclusively for them, and no competitors (read : indie-developers) :)
     
  16. princec

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    Anybody care to explain why none of my games have been cracked?

    Cas :)
     
  17. Sol_HSA

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    Maybe your games are not interesting enough for the people who crack these games.

    I doubt anyone would bother to crack a game that is - purely as an example - only interesting to bored housewives. Unless, of course, one of those bored housewives likes to play around with reverse engineering..
     
  18. princec

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    Just about every other indie game is cracked though.

    I feel left out!

    Cas :)
     
  19. Bad Sector

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    Do you know many bored housewives who would play Titan Attacks? :p
     
  20. princec

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    About half of my customers seem to be bored housewives... the game just addicts everyone who plays it.

    Cas :)
     

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