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Vapouraid
10-18-2004, 02:26 AM
From this site I hoped for a little bit more supprt for an Indie game of some repute!

I think your finalising reason to close the RDKF thread was ignorant, small-minded and you jumped to one or two assumptions that are little other than blind conceit.

How dare you question our credentials. Who are You?

>Sorry Vapouraid, the members of this forum are game developers serious about turning their game development passion into businesses that enable them to continue to do what they love.

Fantastic. A reason Not to close us down as it rests very easily with what we are.

>Excitement is an important part of the development cycle but we tend to channel our excitement into making great games and sharing them with others.

This is quasi-elitist rubbish. Rag Doll Kung Fu is already being shared with others and who are you to say what is a great game?

>We don't channel it into making non sensical one line posts that waste the time of everyone who reads them.

That's a matter of opinion. In my opinion, existing members of this site made made an equal number of lines that make no sense to me, including your blinkered response to the presence of an actual game on your site. It would have been more sensible to me for you to have opened a section where people involved in the making of individual games can have a discussion.

>The majority of the members of this forum are professional people, ex-industry veterans, people with full time development jobs (and in many cases families), or full time independent developers.

So?

>We post here because we really don't have time to read the incoherent posts of rabid players. This is a developer community, not a player community.

Mud slinging? That's mature. Fine, well, I was in game development when you were in nappies sonny boy.

>When you post here you need to respect the members of the community that may be reading the posts. They aren't 13year old kids looking for the next cool game to play.

Neither am I. I'm more than twice that age.

>I don't think you even bothered to check and see what the appropriate forum was for this post.

You're right. I just looked for the closest one I could find. Which is why I regret not asking you first. That still doesn't justify your actions.

>If you want to announce a game, it goes in the "News and Announcements Forum". We are always happy to have new members as long as they are respectful of the rest of the community.

Fine. I'll put something there then.

Shame, I'd rather you'd been somewhat more cooperative. After reacting the way you did, speaking of "sharing" sounds entirely hypocritical.

Reactor
10-18-2004, 03:10 AM
Vapouraid, you're ovrereacting. The internet is littered with admins who lack experience, and go completely over the top and close/delete threads for no good reason. I would have thought you'd be used to that by now. If it seems a little unfair... relax, and perhaps post your message again in another forum. I personally don't think this is the best run forum in the world (downright lame sometimes- I mean, why the heck didn't someone just *move* the post to another forum?) but it is 'their' forum, so to speak, and they're doing indie developers a huge favour by keeping it running.

Anyway, try not to read too much into what people say. No one here is out to put you, or RDKF down.

Have a nice day, and great work on the game ;)

svero
10-18-2004, 03:29 AM
Well I just looked at the thread...The thread could and probably should have been moved to news and announcements, which is what I would have done at first if I had noticed it in the wrong forum. However the thread did start to degenerate with a number of 1-2 line insult posts. Things like "screw you hippy" and so on.. that don't really add any value to the forum. Once that started to happen, I would also have closed it.

Keep in mind that decisions are made on a thread by thread basis by one of many individuals who volunteer as mods, and don't necessarily always agree with what the other mods or admins would do in every case. But generally speaking there hasn't been too much bs that's slipped through, and if closure leans on the cautious side to keep the thread quality on the forum generally high I'm ok with that.

Also keep in mind that most of the people running this forum are busy doing other things like managing their businesses, or writing games etc... Rather than debate everybody that joins the forum about the finer points of posting etiquette and who was writing assembler before who's punch card machine came out, and what's acceptable and what isn't, sometimes its quicker and easier to just close a thread. It will always be a little subjective anyway. You can't please everyone all the time.

Derobrash
10-18-2004, 04:00 AM
I should like to point out that the screw you hippy comment was purely aimed at having the last post in a thread that was doomed to destruction. Anyone would get the jokey south park reference :/ Surely?

Gruggs
10-18-2004, 04:20 AM
I wish mark was here... *sob*

It is quite a contrast from our method and lifestyle on a forum to this. It sort of makes me think of a bunch of lay'd back guys being forced into wearing ties.
I recommend that alot of you take the time to actually look at the process which Mark (creator of RDKF) has taken with designing this game. From its very humble beginings. Its actually a very inovative game that is going back to basics. Refreshing really.

EpicBoy
10-18-2004, 04:28 AM
To paraphrase Denis Leary, "Life is hard, buy a helmet".

NuriumGames
10-18-2004, 05:30 AM
Hi, the game seems pretty fun, is there any release date for a demo or something?.

MattInglot
10-18-2004, 06:57 AM
I closed the thread because even after being warned by Dan you insisted on continuing to turn it into a flamewar. I'm also not sure why you chose to post it in Technical but given everything else that happened, that's beside the point.

One of the points of pride of these forums is the high quality of discussion here. Please read a couple dozen topics and you'll see what I mean.

Just to be perfectly clear: the closure had nothing to do with the game itself. It was mentioned several times that it looks great, and if you choose to post a non-insulting announcement thread in the Announcements forums I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the reaction of people here. You're thread was closed because you chose to derail it.

MirekCz
10-18-2004, 07:18 AM
Vaopuraid:

I did like the game and it would be nice in the announcement forum, but:

1.I don't think this forum was ment to speak about such games in more detail... like build a fan-base. We could chat a bit about this idea and maybe few things regarding implementation details... somewhere in the future regarding sales details.. and that would be it.

2.Your topic started to fill with lame comments which generally pushed the idea "this game rocks, everything else is dull, you will be assimilated"

3.The game is not released.. so no way to see how it really works...

4.I think there are specific forums for your game where fan-base etc. can meet and exchange ideas/sugestions/etc. No need to make part of this forum heavily related to kung fu game.

If you want to get some decent answer from this forum I would suggest:

1.Wait till that game is released
2.Post a little topic in news part of this forum
3.Don't post (and don't ask any of your friends to do so) lame comments about this game.. just let everyone else see and enjoy it without all the "you will be assimilated" shit which in reality just discourages me from even looking at it (behaviour kinda similar to Apple cult)

ggambett
10-18-2004, 07:23 AM
You are still being abusive. Please read the other threads to understand the spirit and style of this community.


It would have been more sensible to me for you to have opened a section where people involved in the making of individual games can have a discussion.
Individual games should have their individual forums. This is not the place.

And before you ask "abusive how", I answer it :


How dare you question our credentials. Who are You?

This is quasi-elitist rubbish.

I was in game development when you were in nappies sonny boy.

Anthony Flack
10-18-2004, 07:39 AM
Good grief!

Well, er, the game itself looks interesting. And you know I'm a sucker for any kind of unconventional graphics style. It'll be one to look out for for sure.

But as for that thread... ah well, I don't have to say it. I'll just say "good grief!" again and leave it at that.

princec
10-18-2004, 08:27 AM
This thread's daft too. Would be best closed and argued about in private IMHO.

Cas :)

svero
10-18-2004, 08:49 AM
Yeah I was going to close it after my post and I see now that it was probably the right thing to do. I guess I should have known...