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ManuTOO
10-09-2004, 11:13 AM
Hello,

I just wanted to share my experience from these 3 eseller service solutions.

Regshare ( http://www.regshare.com/ ) is a very good site, but it doesn't specify all the little things that can have importance on the long term.

So 1st, all of these 3 services can avoid u to pay VAT for europeans buyers. That's 17.5% saved (for u, or for ur customers, as u prefer ;) ).

When I started to sell my game, I chose Yaskifo. I'm french, they're french, so it was just more easy for a beginning.
But after a while, I found out 2 annoying things :
- 10% conversion spread for sales in other currency than Euro : added to their high procession fee, it was just a lot too much
- too much commission for affiliate : the commission is on the gross price, not on the net income. And after that, they charge 20% before give the money to the affiliate.

The good points :
- good quality of service, fast answer to my emails
- nice features (as the "scoring", something to help u a bit to guess if it's a fraudulent order or not)
- free to receive the money on my bank account, each month
- free to refund users
- for charge back, the fee is only their commission
- multi-language order form, and real multi-currency processing

Another little annoying things :
- cannot specify different amounts depending of the currency chosen by the customer
- cannot customize the order page
- so far, I got a few charge backs
- the processing fee is a bit too high

So after I went to try Shareit.
My 1st impression was about the control panel : it's so much more complete than the Yaskifo's one !
But they have also a very annoying point :
- they charge me for issuing a refund, of the amount of their initial commission. They said me it was coz the Credit Card Processor asked them for this fee. But what a coincidence ! This fee is exactly the amount of the ShareIt commission ? don't they do benefit over the credit card processor ?

Good points :
- They only charge 2€ (or 2$) to send the money to my bank.
- very nice control of almost everything
- Good way to handle affiliate (only 2% of fee for me, nothing for the affiliates).
- almost 0% spread for currency conversion
- no charge back so far
- multi-language order form, but only 3 different currencies really handled

At last Paypal. I used it from the start, too. But I was always afraid to get "frozen", coz I read many bad things about them. Now, they belong to eBay, the trouble should not happen as often. And so far, everything was fine for me with them.
Good points :
- they have the lowest processing fee (of the 3 services here)
- no fee for refund
- no charge back so far
- only 1€ to receive the money in my bank account, whenever I want to get it
- about 2.5% spread for currency conversion

Little annoying things :
- not too much control on the payment pages

I never had to contact Paypal, so I don't know about this point of quality.

So what to choose ?
If u're french, start with Yaskifo, it's nice for a beginning. Once ur sales are higher, and u used with the eSelling world, swap to ShareIt (or another one u like), coz Yaskifo is too expensive (except if u have many refunds).
If u're not french, start with ShareIt is possible, even if the Control Panel is a bit intimidating ... :p

A full Paypal solution might be ok... Maybe I'll try it sometimes ... :)


I hope I forgot nothing important for the comparaison between these 3 services. Anyway, many more infos can be found on Regshare.

Dom
10-09-2004, 11:24 AM
So 1st, all of these 3 services can avoid u to pay VAT for europeans buyers. That's 17.5% saved (for u, or for ur customers, as u prefer ).
That sounds like VAT fraud to me.
If you are a European company, you must pay VAT for sales to customers in Europe irrespective of the payment system you use. It is your business that is selling products, not regnow/etc. which is merely a payment service.

Sure they may let you do it, but when the VAT men come knocking on your door don't expect them to be very sympathetic.

ManuTOO
10-09-2004, 11:38 AM
I don't know how it works in other countries...
But the law in France is clear, "micro-companies" don't charge VAT.
Right now, I still don't have a "micro-company", but I should get it soon. And as an individual (or author), VAT doesn't apply neither.

SonSon
10-09-2004, 12:27 PM
I don't know how it works in other countries...
But the law in France is clear, "micro-companies" don't charge VAT.
Right now, I still don't have a "micro-company", but I should get it soon. And as an individual (or author), VAT doesn't apply neither.

I once read that with an SARL (equivalent to LLC) you can also avoid to be VAT registered. You must not exceed a certain income limit.
About micro-companies I recommend this good french book. (http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/270813048X/qid=1097353707/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_10_1/402-1118385-6942510)

And thanks for your input Manu. :)

patrox
10-09-2004, 12:34 PM
I once read that with an SARL (equivalent to LLC) you can also avoid to be VAT registered. You must not exceed a certain income limit.
About micro-companies I recommend this good french book. (http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/270813048X/qid=1097353707/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_10_1/402-1118385-6942510)

And thanks for your input Manu. :)


"Micro entreprise" is what you want, you don't have to pay VAT as long as your revenues are less than 76000 euros a year. You also get a 52% deductible, which is really interesting taxwise.
You don't have to present an accountancy either. ( you just need a book of records, with page numbers, that you can present yearly in case of control )

Check the www.apce.fr site for more information ( in french )
http://www.canam.fr/docs/module.php to estimate your social taxes. (calculated on revenues -52%.)

And for the payement system : www.plimus.com the cheapest and the best so far ;)

pat.

SonSon
10-09-2004, 12:58 PM
Thanks for the additional info Patrox. For sure the micro-entreprise system is very attractive but I think it's reserved to one-person company. My company will have two associates.

patrox
10-09-2004, 10:40 PM
Thanks for the additional info Patrox. For sure the micro-entreprise system is very attractive but I think it's reserved to one-person company. My company will have two associates.

just a thought...
You should consider opening 3 micro entreprises ;)

The paperwork will be much easier and cheaper to deal with than with a SARL or similar.

pat.

stan
10-21-2004, 03:39 PM
Since all the French users of these forums are posting here, I thought I'd post too ;)

I'm using ShareIt too, and it took me a while to read and understand all their doc, ask them a few questions, and create my "key generator" (which isn't, in fact, a key generator).

But it looks like they are offering a quite complete service, even if it's a bit more expensive than others. I haven't used their affiliate system yet, but at least they have one :).

Edit: Forgot to say that they answer quickly to emails (within 24 hours AFAIR).
But I'll probably have a look at Plimus, one day, when I actually start selling games.